This is meant, it's designed to inconvenience casual gamblers. That is quite different to the money being spent by problem gamblers. It said that there is a social cost of $4.7 billion. It said that there is actually a net benefit to Australia from poker machines. WENDY CARLISLE: Well that's what the Productivity Commission says.ĪNDREW BALL: No it didn't. that are costing, that are losing $5 billion a year.ĪNDREW BALL: They are not losing $5 billion a year. WENDY CARLISLE: We're not talking about casual gamblers though, that this legislation these recommendations are aimed at getting to. It's quite different to requiring everybody to do that. We need better intervention strategies and certainly a stronger safety net.īut we are also willing to look at the proper introduction or pre-commitment technology that helps casual gamblers voluntarily set limits. Look it's a human problem that needs a human solution.
For over a decade and a half we have been working with state and territory governments on this but there is more that can be done. I think that the focus here should be to help problem gamblers, not to treat every single punter as a problem gambler.Īnd how do you do that? Well there's already a lot of work that has been done.
WENDY CARLISLE: So you absolutely disagree that pre-commitment is an effective harm minimisation tool? You'd completely disagree with what the Productivity Commission says?ĪNDREW BALL: No I wouldn't completely disagree. If the clubs opt to use the low-intensity machines they don't have to enter this regime.ĪNDREW BALL: As I've said low-intensity machines so-called do not exist. WENDY CARLISLE: But that's only if clubs decide to use the high-intensity machines. That's just unrealistic and it's unachievable. You're talking about over a $3 billion investment to be made inside 18 months. WENDY CARLISLE: Well you've got until 2014.ĪNDREW BALL: So that's about 18 months away.
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Even the Productivity Commission said that there should be a trial of this before any mandatory pre-commitment system is put into place. Look even the Productivity Commission said that they don't know what kind of upside this scheme will have.
The card will have personal details on it. Anyone who wants to play their favourite poker machine will need to register, get the card, have their play tracked. Look it confirms what we already knew - that there will be a licence to punt. They go well beyond the agreement that he has with the Prime Minister and I don't know why that is. The head of Clubs Australia Andrew Ball spoke to Wendy Carlisle.ĪNDREW BALL: These recommendations of Mr Wilkie's - there's 40-odd in this report - are not a compromise. EMILY BOURKE: Clubs Australia, the lobby group representing clubs with poker machines has derided the parliamentary report.